I am going to talk about the agency I work for and our workload here in Southern Arizona. We are working with private ranchers on non federal land, to get fire back on those ecosystems, and mesh it with grazing management. One of the biggest problems confronting us is to use fire on a large scale off federal lands. The agency I work for (Soil Conservation Service) is now called the Natural Resources Conservation Service and is in the Department of Agriculture. It was established in the 1930's as a federal agency (that did not own land) to work with private lands owners (people on non federal lands) to help them better manage their natural resources. In southeastern Arizona, we work on about 10.5 million acres of non federal land. That includes state land, private land, and Native American land, in Cochise, Gila, Graham, Greenlee, Pima, Pinal and Santa Cruz counties. In this area we have, including myself, seven range management specialists working at the various offices. Each one of these range specialists works with from 40 to 70 private ranchers. In each of those workload areas, during my career which spans 25 years, only about two or three ranchers, have done or and are doing any prescribed burning. So, that's a pretty low number and I would like to talk about the reasons for that. And, maybe just throw this information out to see what kind of ideas it will generate from people as to how we might improve.